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Wester Digital and HP Computer Bad combo ??

Last post 05-07-2008 7:31 AM by Gerry. 2 replies.
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  • 05-05-2008 5:07 PM

    • Gerry
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    Wester Digital and HP Computer Bad combo ??

    Hi Nate & Admin (You guys have spoke previously on this issue) Apologies in advance for this posting I searched the forum and found some info.References are numbered at the end.I also contacted Storagecraft Tech Support (Event # 00001764).The response was courteous and timely but light on detail or specifics. The Combination  HP pc and WD mybook is out there in significant numbers[Media center pc with a Large External drive  = Good for Video work]  add to this the rave review from Pc Mag on SPD, and you have many like myselfseriously considering this product  This combination, as problem issues go, has major potential for the creation of unhappy storagecraft customers  A restoration which may fail in your darkest PC Hour is unthinkable Tech Support suggested downloading SPD and testing it out. I don’t particularly want to gamble downloading a trial version of SPD and test it’s restore capabilities, if it is most likely going to leave me stranded Before i comitt to a purchase of "Shadow Protect Desktop"I have a 4  Questions All my Pc's are "HP" units[m8120n, dv9815nr]running VISTA & SP1All my External Hard drives are "Western Digital" WD My Book (Home edition) external drives with USB 2.0,  Firewire 4.0 and eSata Ports.They are all formatted NTFS Nate—This WD external drive differs slightly from your test unit (which was PERSONA EDTION USB only) [REFERENCE #1 below] Since the problem seems to be “input/Output” related [REFERENCE #1 below]1/Does the problem still exist while transferring data via  Firewire or esata [REFERENCE #3 below]2/Were the External Drives formatted NTFS {out of the box they are Fat 32}3/Were you running “Vista” with SP14/ Was the problem visible during the creation of the image OR does it show up when attempting to recover a drive (This Question is very important) FINAL QUESTION  For 1 of my Pc's I plan on taking 1 image (snapshot) of my Hard drive (in a pristine state) and restoring it to that state 2 years from now, after finishing a messy projectIn this Interim 2 year period, i would like to disable "Shadow Protect Desktop" somehow without un-installing itI don't want it using resources, running at startup or in the System Tray4/ Can this be done without un-installing it ? Thank You============================================================== REFERENCE #1  HP + WD = I/O Problems http://forum.storagecraft.com/Community/forums/t/403.aspxNate writes ---One scenario that we found almost always resulted in corruption due to hardware was using a WD MyBook combined with an HP machine. ---- It was reproducible on two different HP laptops ----- It may be a chipset issue with HPs. -------- The fact that these I/O errors occurred on notebooks and servers, ALL with different chipsets,-----I'm kicking myself that I didn't warn anyone of the HP_Notebook+WD_MyBook combo problems before now.------ We experienced I/O failures with Western Digital MyBook USB drives (500GB personal edition)---- These same MyBook drives, when used with non-HP computers, did not experience these I/O failures.-------If you're going to use a MyBook with an HP laptop then you are likely to experience data corruption and I/O failures regardless of the application that you use.  These issues with the MyBook+HP were not specific to any particular application.  You just have to do a lot of continuous I/O to the device and eventually it fails.==============================================================REFERENCE #2  HP + WD = Bad Idea http://forum.storagecraft.com/Community/forums/t/673.aspxAdmin writes ---Western Digital MyBooks don’t work well with HP machines.  This was tested with and without StorageCraft and it is very repeatable.  We don’t recommend the combination.============================================================== REFERENCE #3  WD + eSata = good Idea  !!! http://forum.storagecraft.com/Community/forums/p/543/2575.aspx#2575 Admin ---- Regarding Western Digital external drive with eSATA.-------->ShadowProtect works great with eSATA.  You should get very good backup performance with this interface. http://forum.storagecraft.com/Community/forums/p/543/2575.aspx#2575

     

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  • 05-06-2008 3:58 PM In reply to

    Re: Wester Digital and HP Computer Bad combo ??

    In the situations where we experienced I/O failures with HP notebooks + WD MyBook USB drives we tested using MyBook USB drives which ONLY had USB connectivity.  Therefore, as the MyBook drives we were testing with did not have FireWire or eSATA ports, we have no information for you regarding MyBook drives that have these additional connection options.  It's important to note that we experienced these I/O failures when testing the system WITHOUT any of our software installed on it, using standard disk I/O test suites like IOMeter (from Intel).  The volumes on the MyBook drives were formatted with NTFS.  The tests were with XP Pro SP2.  The problem itself is that if an application wrote data to the MyBook drive, DIFFERENT data would end up on the disk.  So if you went back to read the data you just wrote you would discover that it would be different than the data you instructed the OS to write.  These results weren't just on a single HP laptop+WD Mybook combo.  We had multiple laptops and WD MyBooks, and switched them around, and still repeated these errors using IOMeter (again, our own software was not installed during the tests).  The point is that this is not a ShadowProtect-specific issue.

    My gut feeling is that if your computers have eSATA ports then you will likely not experience this issue if you connect your MyBook devices using eSATA.  It likely has something to do with the USB controller or bridge chip on the HP and/or the USB chip on the MyBook itself - some incompatibility between them.

    To disable (but not uninstall) ShadowProtect, simply perform the following steps:

    Run services.msc (the service control manager GUI) and stop and disable the ShadowProtect service and also stop and disable the StorageCraft volume shadow copy provider service.

    Run regedit.exe and disable the StorageCraft snapshot driver by setting the REG_DWORD Start value of its service key to 4.  That value is here:

    \HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\stcvsm\Start

    Also within regedit.exe disable the StorageCraft mount driver by setting its REG_DWORD Start value of its service key to 4.  That value is here:

    \HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\sbmount\Start

    Run the cmd.exe shell (aka DOS box, aka Command Line Shell) and use "cd" to change directory to the C:\Program Files\StorageCraft\ShadowProtect directory.  Then run the following command to unregister the StorageCraft mount shell extension DLL:

    regsvr32 /u sbimgmnt.dll

    Finally, reboot.  After the reboot, nothing from StorageCraft will be running on your computer.  Two years later you can reverse these steps to re-enable ShadowProtect:

    Run services.msc and enable start the ShadowProtect service.  Also enable and start the StorageCraft Shadow Copy Provider service.  Ignore errors (the shadow copy provider may complain that it can't find the snapshot driver - no problem - that's because you haven't yet enabled it - we will do so below).

    Run regedit.exe and change the stcvsm\Start value (referenced above) to 0 and change the sbmount\Start value (referenced above) to 1 or 2 (either will work).

    Run cmd.exe and change directory (cd "\Program Files\StorageCraft\ShadowProtect") to the storagecraft directory and execute the following command to register the mount shell extension DLL:

    regsvr32 sbimgmnt.dll

    Finally, reboot.  After the reboot, ShadowProtect is fully re-enabled and functional.

  • 05-07-2008 7:31 AM In reply to

    • Gerry
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    Re: Wester Digital and HP Computer Bad combo ??

    Nate : Thank You so very muchI did raise this issue with tech support at both WD & HPIf i get any constructive or instructional feedback from them, I will post Again Thanks for the thorough and informative response. Other companies offering Tech support/help could really learn a lot fom you guys

     

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